i live in scottsdale,i love snowbowl,and sunrise.and for all of u who complain about it,rkane is right go somewhere else,dont dis us,snowbowl rocks,.this year,wooooooow we got so much snow,its great,its the desert that is amazing for a desert,so dont complain about if u fall and the patrolers get mad at u,get beter,ddonnt get mad at them!!its not their fault!dont fall,.i know,snowbowl isnt as great as telluride, vail,whistler etc..suck it up,u dont have to go here,but were tryin to make it bigger,soooo,come here its great,and the drive up is not stupid its awesome,its scenic!!goooo winter!!let it snow,heres to a great season and more to come!!