Hidden valley has new owners who don't understand the business. New paint and snow machines don't equal a rise in prices with zero discount programs. They want over $20 for a pitcher of beer! Skiing is great with new snow machines but you need a better plan of when and hwo to make it. Also, can't you run the groomers more at night. The valley used to be known for it's great snow. I hope they can learn these things. Good snow and good promotions will equal happier skiers.