only posting anonymously because it is faster and easier. Went for first time on 2/24/08. went with new skiers was very disappointed that learners area was a hard walk across parking lot and inaccesible to any other lift. Also, very difficult to get to summit lodge. had promised nonskiing friends that they would be able to sit by fire, have a drink, and watch the skiiers.not true. valley lodge is dark, dingy, and no bar. didn't find out till much later that it was possible to drive up to summit lodge. And that is where they have the live music! Too hard for inexperinced skiiers to reach! mountain was nice, but bear creek is just easier navigation, less line, better amenities. You choose.