I moved here from Ontario last year. Apex has tough runs, and is definately an experts mountain. It has challenging steeps, chutes, and tree runs, and doesn't get tracked out quickly. I don't find the racing a big deal at all. However, it would be nice if the owners put some money into the hill, the triple lift is really slow, the half pipe takes forever for them to get open, and in 2007-2008, the hill is closing 2 weeks early.